Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Russell Zahniser's avatar

I first encountered the arousal/lust distinction in Andrea Dworkin's analysis of Joan of Arc (Intercourse, chapter 6) and it shattered my world.

In many recorded interviews with Joan of Arc's soldiers, they say that, lying down "all in the straw together" with her and seeing her bare-breasted, they felt arousal/desire, but, emphatically, no lust. They accepted as fact that she was sexually unavailable, and that alone appears to have been enough to allow her to function among them as a person and a leader and not a sex object.

To me, this suggests that lust, far from being an ever-present thing, is actually very narrowly constrained. When we perceive that sex is available, *only then* does some primitive part of our brain say "You need to make that happen right now!" That's lust. Useful to help male spiders overcome their reluctance to have their heads bitten off. Problematic for humans, who can and do learn to see everyone as "available".

Thank you so much for the work you do! I was reading Andrea Dworkin trying to figure out how to teach my own thee boys about sexuality, having failed to find any capable moral framework articulated in Christian sources. Now I can't wait to get your book!

Expand full comment
Brad Meyers's avatar

Sam, will you be having one of your zoom discussions on this article?

Expand full comment
13 more comments...

No posts